Tell us a little about how you became a Christian. What experiences led you to believe that there had to be something more than just this life?
So: We both became Christians at an early age and grew up in the
church. Later on, during our high school and college years, we began to
understand that being a Christian is about more than just sin
How did those experiences and that decision
to follow Jesus Christ impact your life and the relationships you had
Say So: Discipleship means integrating our faith
into all the other areas of our lives. Because we have decided to follow
Christ, it means we look at life in a completely different way than we
What does your faith mean to you? Why is it important to you?
So: The Christian faith begins to answer all the BIG questions of life
i.e. Why are we here? What is the purpose of life? How can we know the
difference between right and wrong? Where are we going?
What lessons have been the most valuable to you during your experience of following Christ?
Say So: Understanding the importance of seeking hard after God and studying the scriptures which reveal God's thoughts.
While many Christians today seem to retreat into a subculture of
Christian music, Christian books, Christian TV, your music seems to
speak openly and honestly about faith and life in fresh ways, not just
telling Christians something they want to hear or repeating the same old
things over and over again, but speaking so that anyone can listen and
wonder. Do you feel that this retreat into the subculture has kept many
Christians from being able to have a real voice in the world?
So: Perhaps. American evangelicalism has on occasion fallen into the
trap of trivializing and sloganizing the Christian faith.
How do you avoid that retreat, particularly as songwriters and artists?
So: In the lyrics of our songs and in the books we've written (Jim:
Coffeehouse Theology and Streetwise Spirituality, Kim: Simplicity and
Living in the Sacred Now) we've tried really hard to speak in a language
that anyone could understand. We try to think more in terms of
worldview and less in terms of a Hallmark card approach to our faith. We
feel we should sing/speak/write about all of life from a Christian
How do you perceive the state of Christian music today?
Say So: It's probably fair to say there is some very good, some okay, and some bad. But that's nothing new.
One of my favorites songs you've recorded has the line: "water and
blood and flesh and bone ... mysterious jewel in a plastic box." That
line has always stuck with me since. What was the genesis of that song?
So: The first part speaks of our solidarity in physical terms and the
second of our solidarity as creatures made in the image of God. The
mysterious jewel is the image of God that sets us apart from the rest of
creation and gives us the capacity to know our creator as a heavenly
Who are the thinkers, artists, and writers who have influenced your understanding of the life of faith?
So: C. S. Lewis, G. K. Chesterton, Dallas Willard, John Stott, Alister
McGrath, Francis Schaeffer, Annie Dillard, Madeline L'Engle
What do you see as the biggest hang-ups keeping Christians from being
able to make an impact in the world at large, or becoming what Bob
Briner refers to as "roaring lambs"?
Say So: I think we are doing
better than we were in the past couple of decades. But there are
probably several things that still hold us back at times. Our use of
"Christianese" or, insider language. The arrogance we so often display.
Our lack of unity. Our lack of social responsibility. etc.
What do you see as the real issues Christians should be addressing to a postmodern generation?
So: One thing is that we need to rethink evangelism. I think we need to
approach it on more of a relational level. This takes more time and
involves more listening and less talking which we aren't used to. But
that is definitely what it will take if we're going to make more
Christians and better ones at that.
Okay, supposing I'm
an honest skeptic standing before you at this moment. What's the one
thing you wouldn't want me to leave without hearing?
Say So: That
the Designer of your brain (God) really does exist or you wouldn't even
be able to think your skeptical thoughts. That the ancient scriptures
reveal how this Designer desires to be in relationship with you, so much
so, that in spite of your doubts, He loves you and is in hot pursuit of